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Transcripts for MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20240604 00:18:00

professor phillip atiba goff said earlier. those started at the beginning, and start with the community, but it should be seen as an either or situation. new york is spending a lot of money on social services. including for this man who is presumably the alleged shooter. i do want to give too much credence to his rantings, but he blamed the treatment he got. i don t know what that solution is. but it shouldn t be framed as an either or. it s not necessarily more more cops are if your cops, it s when you started, with what do we want policing to do in society? i think it s prevent crime, prevent fear, and prevent a certain amount of public disorder. public disorder is the one that i in the subways i think is the trick is because it ends up being the weights in why would any cops why would you blame cops for? that they did make that decision. they implementing of. it they implemented. and they have a judgment call. it s strange to me to say, all look at that s a democrati

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Transcripts for MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20240604 00:16:00

debate. on the back end, the question is like, are those people going to have a place to go? we might not be a great place, but it safer than the subway. and if they think the subways safer, they re actually mistaken. because the crime right, the death, rate 3 million ways to kill yourself down there. it s very dangerous to be around trans and lots of people. a lot of people do. and that usually doesn t make the news. it s just another service disruption. that was a human life. and that life could ve been saved. but because of politics remember, this is a problem, we know the grave problems that have been around for decades and centuries, but the recent decrease and quality of life in new york city, which i also want to, say new york is still a nice place, i live here and i love it here, but there s been it s gotten worse. that s a recent thing. it s not because suddenly poverty appeared in america, it s not suddenly because racism appeared. it s political choices. and we v

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Transcripts for MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20240604 00:07:00

and lift in the area for five years. again, i think there is a broadly shared consensus across all sorts of lines, i would imagine, that this is an awful situation, edition of happen, this isn t the way this man s life should ve ended, and a lot of people think maybe the track exception of taking place. there s a lot up for debate between that and the reality of crime going up in this country. and it is. just look at the increase in the murder rate over the last couple of years. it was up 30% in 2020. another 6% in 2021. and the first month of this year, new york city saw a nearly 40% increase in the crime index since january. amidst us, the debate seems to be do we want more police and less police? do we want to increase the budgets or decrease them? as opposed to thinking of what we want the institution of policing to do, or more broadly, and i would see much more fundamentally, what s safety looks like in this country and what it should look like. what will be the mechanisms to prov

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Transcripts for MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20240604 00:08:00

you the truth, i think there are arguments to make that there are too much and too little policing in this country at the same time. there are too many young men of color and generally marginalized people being stopped. weather in traffic, or just on the street. we and yet, at the same time, looked at what happens with the most serious crime, homicide, we all know the phrase getting away with murder, an idiom that describes zero consequences for the most egregious of actions, but that is an increasing reality in america. homicide clearance rates, for the number of murders that we actually see, at a historic national, low about 54%. that means, nearly half of all murders went unsolved. that is crazy. half the people who commit murder are literally getting away with murder. some and we have been seeing a real reactionary backlash build. on one, hand there s an impulse to have more cops in the interest of increasing safety. on the other, hand there s a reform community that is skeptical o

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Transcripts for MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20240604 00:13:00

your acosta, maybe one of them will find a gun, maybe you do find the guy before he does it, and that s the protective mode of policing that the aclu and progressive activists and folks have essentially shut down by saying, that s racial lee discriminatory, that s harassment, it s a. tara yes, so there s one surefire way to make sure that there is no violence on the streets in the united states. which is to lock up everyone in the united states so that they are not on the streets. that will 100% work, and you can follow that for as long as you want. we tried that, or darn close to, that in black communities, for a couple of decades. it did do some of the work to drive down crime. thousand percent. but the goal here is not to prevent any violence, or to make sure that anyone who has committed violence is taken away forever. the goal is to try to prevented in the first place and then it turns out that while having police on street corners just, their existence, does kind of

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