This year today, at least 17 journalists have been killed on the job and the true total is even higher. groups like the community to protect journalists keep track of this, and they try to hold enemies of press freedom accountable. with us now is the new president of the group, joni ginsburg and thank you for coming on. we ve been covering the death toll in ukraine. reporters killed on the job, but this is a problem even beyond war zones. absolutely. i mean, the death toll in ukraine is at least seven journalists so far since the conflict started in late february. what s concerning about the situation for press freedom at the moment is not just the risk to journalists, there s always been risks to journalists reporting. risky, it is a risky profession when you re reporting on conflict. there s a couple of things really concerning about the conflict in particular in ukraine, journalists appear to be targeted, which is something new. often having the word press on your back or your fro