president, hayes, he agreed to pull the troops and reconstruction was over. that s where posse come tatis came from. in any event, using defense department to conceal and take the election information and the voting booth information is a violation of posse come tatis. it would never be allowed at the defense department, much less approved by the justice department. general mccaffrey, i want to talk to you about ukraine in just a moment and the tensions on the russian border there. but let s carry this on for a while. the whole idea of crossing the rubicon was the idea that a roman general couldn t enter rome ahead of the column of troops. every member of the military in this country knows that. how could this have possibly, as cynthia said, have gotten to this level that an executive order was drafted?