questions about how much crazier things could have been are likely to be front of mind for the investigators talking to both of these lawyers. you make the important point that pat cipollone in particular, really high-profile member of the former administration, and we ve seen a number of high-profile people come and talk with the committee. jared kushner, ivanka trump, et cetera, et cetera. what we don t know, right, is specifically how much information these people are providing. and so it makes it, it seems, a little bit hard to read into how much pressure might be ramping up here as it relates to the committee. that s right. we don t know what s happening when these conversations happen. we don t know the extent to which committee investigators are satisfied or dissatisfied with the level of cooperation that they get. but the fact that these folks, including jared kushner, ivanka trump and now these two lawyers have engaged with the committee not under subpoena signifies that a