ex-president it all but ensures that special counsel jack smith will hear from the key witness who none of the other investigations into the trump cou plot not the fulton county d.a. has ever heard from under oath we re, of course, talking about mike pence a ruling handed down wednesday night by a federal appeals court rejects an emergency request by trump to block mike pence s testimony. new york times reports this, quote, the 11th hour ruling by the u.s. court of appeals for the district of colombia paves the way for mr. pence to appear before the federal grand jury as early as this week the ex-president has a few legal options left including an appeal to the supreme court but as nbc news reports, quote, in previous instances, where appeals sent senior aides must testify, his legal team has opted no the to fight the decision further and those witnesses have quickly appeared before the grand jury and trump s argument that executive privilege prevents pence or any of his ai
People who refused to testify. mark meadows refused to testify. he knows a lot he wouldn t speak to us at all mr. giuliani asserted attorney/client privilege repeatedly i think it was a stretch but he knows a lot there are other people involved who could shed light certainly, pence is a major witness. congresswoman, thank you very much for joining us on this day of breaking news joyce vance is with us joyce, charlie sykes reported in the last hour that in a podcast this feels if we are at the pence stage before the grand jury, we are near the end. do you agree with that a degree with it in the sense you cannot indict this case before you talk to mike pence. it s exactly what tim says