me feel you were 4 and i was 2. we ll work that yeah, yeah. [ laughter ] you know, i joined the police department in 1985 there so that gives you an indication of my age but it was a different time, a very different time, a significant shift. we were right at the beginning of somewhat of a shift and approach to policing, if you will. the climate, the tone, the ten tenu of the city was different. it was right at the time where i joined the police department moving into the 90s where there became a shift to become more proactive and much more aggressive styles of policing and you ran into more complications when you dealt with issues of constitutional protections and rights, et cetera. there was a period of time when at least on paper gun possession