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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220212 10:16:00

Very, very quiet. when did you find out how she was killed in. a few days later, police called me and said that the newspapers want to release some information, you should tell the kids. the only thing they would tell me the cause of death was multiple gunshots. pam zimmerman had been murdered, but by whom? coming up, police start with the men around her, her new fiancee. he had at least two other women that he had been involved with. her final client. he owned a 9mm gun. and about her ex. when dateline continues. and> and about her ex. when dateline continues. and

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220212 10:34:00

well, it was one that the police really had to sort through. sure. to see if it was a credible story or not. they let him go. again. kirk s kids couldn t see their dad as a suspect. they said their parents divorced was drama-free. i think they both realized that they came to want different things. kirk s brother agreed. he was pam s best friend and he loved her like a sister, saw her marriage up close and the way it ended. there was never any hostility, open air, arguments. the kids and i, we we never saw anything. if anything, they said the two seemed much happier. kirk got a house just down the street and around the corner just to be close to them. i m really glad he did. it made it real easy on us. and he did stay very involved in their lives. dad videotaped all of our

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220212 10:43:00

Family room and plainly said your dad killed your mom. what do you think about the possibility that your dad could be violented like that? i know anyone is capable of doing anything, but we would know. we re his kids, we lived with him. i honestly believe if she ever really felt threatened she really felt at risk, the first person she would have reached out to was me. and she never did. kirk spent four months in jail before bonning out. and for the next 3.5 years, remained under house arrest. rachel and heidi couldn t stay in the house with him alone. there had to be another person 18 or older the entire time. the whole time waiting for trial? yes. up until we turned 18. pam s neighbor and friend julie ko tried to help. you know i took his daughter driving. because they were learning to

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220212 10:44:00

Drive. i remember driving one daughter to clean she went to mizzou. so i took her. while pam s friends tried to protect the kids. they couldn t protect them from a widespread public suspicion their father killed their mother. the case always seemed to be in the news. potential evidence that came out was pretty damaging to kirk zimmerman because a lot of it dealt with the exchanges he had with pam during divorce. those exchanges were front and center when the state finally presented its case at trial. greed, hate, murder. santa states attorney told the jury the motive was clear, kirk zimmerman killed his wife over money. he knew as long as he was still alive, that he was going

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220212 10:15:00

Ambitious star. she was valedictorian of her class, graduating class. she was a straight-a student the entire grade school and high school, except i think one b where she got in home ec. i have always known, we had the most amazing mom, such a bright, happy person, full of wisdom, smart, funny. i could go on and on. she always made sure that we came first. she d come home from work, she d make us dinner. she d stay up all night helping us with homework or dock our laundry. we called her super mom. because she literally did everything. a gift for all the love she has fired, pam zimmerman must have stirred something dark in someone or got in someone s way. it wasn t long before police figured out her death was no accident. what did the police tell you? nothing. they kept the evidence very,

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