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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220212 10:13:00

Something wasn t right. i knew not to move her. ina has stared, rooted to the spot. i guess i kind of went into shock because i saw her lying there. but you had no idea what had happened in. no. she could have had a heart attack or something? could of. maybe she tripped over a foot rest behind the reception desk? i had it in the back of my mind, well, did she hit her head in. police arrived in minutes. julie s phone still pinging. the kids are still texting. i keep saying someone needs to go to them and tell them what s going on. reporter: eventually officers went to the high school. one-by-one pam s children were called to a conference room, where the police told them their mother was dead. it was the worst part, they brought me in this room, david s cheeks are stained with tears. i had to see that, then they told me and i was balling, david

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220212 10:11:00

Trepidation arrived outside the office of her missing friend and neighbor, pam zimmerman. nobody around. except wasn t that pat s car in the lot? julie called her husband. he said, call 911. so, i called 911, and she said, do you want to file a missing person s report? and i said, i don t even know if she s missing. then she saw someone who could help. right as i pulled in, i know she was parked over there getting out of her car and walking towards me. you know her well? i knew ina. i jumped out of my car and said, pam didn t come home last night. ina was the a past friend and long-time office manager. ina said pam seemed fine the day before, said when she left around 4:30 p.m., pam was meeting with her last client of the day behind closed doors remember but ina had a key to the building and office, so the two women headed in. i opened the door there and

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220212 10:53:00

so now, bloomington would hear kirk zimmerman s side of the story. kirk zimmerman did not shoot and kill pamela zimmerman. he didn t shoot and kill the mother of his three children over owing $3,900 in child support. that state theory that kirk killed pam over money, nonsense, said his defense attorney john rogers. kirk made it clear to the police, he said, that fedex from pam was no big deal. it didn t affect me. you re you re wondering if i disagreed or argued with her about it? kirk had a full pension guaranteed for life, which he could have taken at any point in time. he was making $95,000 working for state farm. he has in excess of $240,000 in his 401(k). the defense told the court the police have tunnel vision from the very start. it s the old, let s go look

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220212 10:46:00

m - but what she had to say was important said pam s brother. you know, she saw a guy office at the time. and that man she said was carrying a bag. what did he do with the bag? put it in his car. that was the stuff he took out of the office. and who was that man? from this point, the state s emotional witness was certain. that man was the man. versions never found the murder weapon, but among the gearshift in kirk s car, gunshot residue said this forensic scientist. that gearshift handle either had gunshot residue related or was in the environment of a discharged firearm. but remember the friends and family who said pam told them,

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220212 10:56:00

Firearm, or the hands of the two police officers that had been in the crime scene. either way, rogers suggested sloppy police work was the hallmark of the investigation. he said police should have dug deeper when they heard what this woman had to say. i heard what i believed to be gunshots. the defense had an earwitness, of sorts, who testified that more than a block away, she heard gunshots at the office at 5:10 p.m. it hit the coroner s time of death window before sometime before midnight. why was that important? that s the exact time mr. whitlow has himself in pam s office. whitlow, pam s last client of the day. i m not contending that i had enough evidence to prove mr. whitlow shot pam zimmerman, but certainly, when they claim that they investigated mr. whitlow with the same intensity that they investigated mr. zimmerman, that was not

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