certain people i have only met john madden a couple of times and yet i felt like i knew him. basically my whole adult life. pete, i m older than you and rachel, obviously older than you guys giants and jets were always bad growing up. when the playoffs started they were like this new league pick another team. the giant and jets were literally bad for 15 years. i used to watch the raiders and steelers play every year. john madden as a coach was very real to me. i remember john madden as a broadcaster earth shattering to me. i remember reading out fox starting out fox network before i was working here in los angeles and seeing the big move when they signed john madden and pat summer all, and he became part of basically the voiceover of everything i was interested in growing up. and he just he was just so different from everybody else. outside of howy cosell totally revolutionized color commentary