but if the president, and this is bigger picture. it s not just cohen we re talking about, manafort, flynn, other people who were at risk with cooperating with the president. if he is offering pardons to people, that could be two things. it could be obstruction of justice, right? because you re trying to convince a potential witness against you not to become a witness against you. and it could be quid pro quo bribery. so we re talking about two separate criminal problems the president could find himself in. and remember, bill barr, the new ag who say staunch defender of the president says he can t be convicted of obstruction of justice for firing the fbi director did say that he could be opt hook for obstruction if he was offering pardons in exchange for the person not testifying. so you see more legal jeopardy for the president and his team if there was talk of a pardon than michael cohen, though michael cohen, it would have meant that he lied about it in the public testimony last w