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and you can t just real quick, we don t get big reforms in this country by small margins. right. and remember that was a party line vote obama care and since he s now calling it that i guess we all can. yeah. he s proud of it. and that was an interesting case where the president got a victory but in the old fdr mode of public education and actually, you know, having the people understanding what s going on, that was not a success. no, it wasn t. and you had to strike deals early on behind the scenes with big pharma and the big hospitals and there wasn t the type of reform we needed to have. so, steve, you were talking earlier about how americans might not agree with the democrats tax increases but they re not going to agree with the spending cuts. you say to americans, okay, we re going to spend $41 trillion instead of 44, $45 trillion. ....

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