so we will be talking about that on today s newscast, and all the other news. and henry is with us, too. newscast, from the bbc. hello, it s patty in the studio. and it s laura in the studio. and it s henry in the studio. it is very nice to have you with us. so, there is a scoop. which is, a recording made of a minister saying that the rwanda policy is crap. and, laura, you have got a hold of it. idid. shall we listen to it before we discuss? .has anyone got their cameras on? the policy is crap. 0k? it is. but it is not about policy, i it is about the effect of the policy. there is second and third order effects, and australia, for- example, their policy had a devastating effect. - there is no doubt atj all, when those first flights take off, it will send shock wave across the channel. - oh, dear. so, henry, as a political hat, when you hear that, what do you think? i think belting story, i think that it is extremely embarrassing for the conservative party, especially on a mo