against, but they were just potted plants. i mean, it s not like they actually participated in the debate. no disrespect to the cpd maturity. and ultimately your audiences to television audience exactly. it s really the only one that matters when you re in the hall, your perception of actually how it plays it s really muted. all right, thank you very much to our panel. thanks to all of you for joining us on this incredibly consequential day. i m kasie hunt. don t go anywhere. cnn news central starts right now say the words. debate de in america, this is special coverage of cnns to store it presidential debates. so special, we are in atlanta so special, even we have to sit down. the first ever debate between a current president and a former president. the earliest general election debate ever which also means this is the first time a general election debate is being held with neither candidate officially nominated yet by their parties. but i digress stakes, even the ca