$12, $13 for hulu you were talking about. there is potentially more money to be made that way. we ll see if netflix does that it way. speaking of streaming, let s talk act spotify. the obamas have been knocking heads over the past couple years, not about joe rogan but about money. spotify wanted it, the obamas dchblt. now they re leaving spotify and shopping for a new deal with tens of millions of dollars. this could be its own podcast original, a limited series on the drama between spotify and the obamas. spotify making a deal originally with them worth tens of millions of dollars. frustration on both sides. spotify was upset throughout that there weren t more podcasts being produced by the obamas with the obamas in them, not just with their name on them. and the obamas frustrated it was