Welcome to hardtalk. I m stephen sackur. South africa is facing its deepest political crisis of the post apartheid era. After days of violence and looting which saw more than 200 people killed and thousands arrested, president ramaphosa claimed there d been a well planned attempt to provoke insurrection and bring down the democratic state. Whatever the truth of that, it s clear the social and economic fabric of the country has been badly weakened. My guest is transport minister fikile mbalula. Is the ruling anc being confronted with its own failure? fikile mbalula in cape town, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you for having me, and to all your listeners. It s a pleasure to have you on the show. Tell me, minister, how would you characterise the shocking, the terrible violence that swept across parts of your country last week? it was a hyped up. Accumulation of anarchy at the highest level, as you know that anarchy is the higher state of disorder, and then it exhibited opportunistic elements
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moment. keir starmer will have to reshuffle from a moment. keir starmer will have to reshuffle from a position moment. keir starmer will have to reshuffle from a position of - reshuffle from a position of weakness, just to give the prime minister an opportunity and would he be interested in taking the opportunity to reshape its front bench team? opportunity to reshape its front bench team? everything i hear is that there s bench team? everything i hear is that there s lots bench team? everything i hear is that there s lots of bench team? everything i hear is that there s lots of people - bench team? everything i hear is| that there s lots of people around the prime minister who are very keen for a cabinet reshuffle but maybe not the prime minister himself. there s a lot of people who think they are do a promotion. i think it s a being talked up every time we hear about a reshuffle getting kicked back and kick back, and it s a strong scent there having by the summer