dialogue. the subject will start to ask for help from the negotiator. that is exactly what you want. but you also not be very careful because hillary s clinton there about two hours on tv and he was listening the whole time. must be very conscious about the negotiators but also you and i say together. absolutely totally understand that certainly would not want to do anything purposely or inadvertently to exacerbate the situation there. given what you have said to us, danny, in your experience most likely the people are being held hostage right now they can at the very least his hear his end of the conversation with police. does that give them some sort of peace and calm to note swat