happened under murkel, too? well, in fairness, murkel actually told putin that if he invaded ukraine, nord stream problem shut down. it s not operating now. but any process to get it operating would be totally shut down. and i think, obviously, the new chancellor and because of where he comes from and the coalition he has is even at more against nord stream than chancellor murkel was. but i think the message for the germans is pretty clear and unequivocal in this particular regard. and we welcome that by our german allies. i want to put up something here casperoff wrote and get you to ask the question about what do we owe ukraine, if they are invieded? he writes, all around the world demagogues are pushing the same dangerous message, democracy is broken and should be discarded.