strategy would be out of the old karl rove playbook. offense instead of defense. is that too old republican party for what we re witnessing right now? look, we could have a separate conversation about carl. i probably have a different opinion of carl than you. maybe. i think carl carl is often maligned unfairly. but there is something that is remarkably ironic or hypocritic as you say about this. the first political action committee from a conservative side was ni cpac, national conservative political action committee. it was started by a gay man, who moved to massachusetts later to take advantage of the gay marriage laws and the adoption laws. and the first executive director was a guy named terry dolan who tragically died of aids. there s been this hypocritical