tested daily. i guess the tough guy only goes so. far author of the book at the public of, lies in the conspiracy theorists, the rise to power, and she joins me now. anna merlan, i was struck by praeger saying i was trying to get it and natural unity is. best because i have been hearing a lot of. this and there s the tip of the iceberg, is natural immunity, which is of course a real thing, when you get covid, and you survive. it your body produces antibodies. but something deeper than, that which is that it is the really good thing to go about this public health to them. my understanding is that this is a broadly propagated view in certain circles. yes, so the idea that natural immunity is somehow better than the immunity conferred by vaccine is something that has been promoted not only during the covid-19 pandemic but in the anti-vax world as well before that. during previous enormous news outbreaks in 2015, and 2019,