prigozhin led wagner mercenary against russia s top brass saying how angry they were at the conduct of the war here in ukraine. but it turned into a much larger challenge against putin himself. essentially, a deal done by the bell russian president turned prigozhin around and meant he was somehow going to move his fighters to belarus. he went quiet for a bit. that s got many people wondering quite whether or not everything wea we are seeing can be taken at face value. prigozhin was not really known his whereabouts for one or two weeks after that initial rebellion. he popped up last in the last week or so in africa suggesting perhaps he might be focusing on his wagner group s operations there, often involved in mining, propping up dictatorships there. the images many watching in russia of that plane falling
that prigozhin had a lot of friends in russia as well, a lot of russians who supported him. and so there is going to be some turmoil in the short term. and whenever there is this kind of turmoil, i think it does undermine putin s ability to show strength. and i have a sense that it s going to cause him to kind of rethink what s going on in ukraine as well. we ll see what it does to that thinking going forward for that. secretary panetta, thank you for joining me. thank you. and when we return, the mugshots that will undoubtedly go down in american history. as trump s co-defendants have turned themselves in one by one by one. before you were preventig migraine with qulipta®? remember the pain? cancelled d plans? the worry? that was then. and look at me now.
submarine kursk sank. and putin talked about his ideas of leadership for the first time. and he was really talking about the presidency as a bureaucracy. and i think he still thinks that it s that. and so the two-month pause i think is meant to communicate that there is some kind of process, right, that they did something. they considered it. they maybe put it through the machine. none of that is true, but i think that the pause that putin often takes to do anything at all, part is a function of the decision, but part of it is his instinct for appearing bureaucratic. of course, he has a real love of dates, right? he does things on the anniversary of a particular thing. he loves symmetrical dates. so to have this man murdered, which like many others i assume this was a murder, on the 23rd of august, 23, which is the
square, his head put in a guillotine and have it chopped off the next day. the fact that prigozhin didn t have his head chopped off and, in fact, had tea with putin in the kremlin, he was reading african dictators at the russia africa summit, has been flying all over the world, apparently unimpeded, every one of those days made putin look like a weakling, look not like a strong dictator. the fact that he waited two months, that s the biggest surprise of this whole story. yeah, speaking of looking weak, i mean, after that rebellion initially happened you said you believed he would have to do something to reassert his authority or you believed that putin was, the quote at the time, a dead man walking. is this him reasserting his authority if it s two months later, does it still work, do you think? yeah, it works perfectly. so from this day on, anybody who is thinking about challenging putin understands that the
consequence could be death in a terrible way. by the way, i don t think this is the end of the story. i think that putin has begun the punch and there will be other peoplerge and there will be oth people punched. so this enforces his authority. that s what he was that s what he has been attempting to do. yes, two months have gone by. that wasn t great for him. now he achieved the objective. essentially, what you are saying, if you are a prigozhin ally, you are not sleeping well tonight? i am sure that some of them are already dead. we just haven t heard of it. others are on the run, in hiding, an many people will be punched. either killed or locked up for a very long time. that s the way dictators work. putin is a dictator. i m sure that s happening as we speak. russia is doing an investigation. but if this is up to russia s investigators, do you think we will ever really know what