because if you take the car, you come into kyiv, you can seejust how hard russia tried to take kyiv and just how quickly the focus became on hitting civilians and attacking civilians. and that is shock upon shock we passed. bombed out playgrounds, bombed out schools, hospitals, burned out trees, twisted metal in farmland. so obvious, really, that, right from the beginning, this was about hitting the ukrainian nation. it wasn t just about taking up the military capability. and i think that shock is really important to harness because it all needs calling out, and it needs calling out in order to ensure this sustained justice becomes part of the conversation that we have very quickly. do you think there will be justice for the alleged war crimes committed here? yes, i do. and i think ukraine s partners will be working together and are working together to make sure we help ukraine gather up the evidence to see thatjustice is done.
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