anybody who s trying to investigate and get to the bottom of this, including the committee staff, is trying to figure out, okay, what have we got and what do we need? in other words, are there witnesses around mccarthy they ve already interviewed, and they have, who give us a good sense of what exactly he said and did with regard to donald trump? we already know that kevin mccarthy was calling donald trump basically pleading with him to get the january 6th dogs out of the building, to protect his own members. but are there witnesses who already can tell you exactly what mccarthy said, what trump said, and are there documents like texts? we ve seen quite a few that help buttress that. if that s the case, if that narrates the events well enough, then they don t need mccarthy and they don t need the long, long drawnout legal fight and political fight that s likely to ensue if they press harder legally for his submission. melissa, we saw a ruling