liability, increasingly courts accept the theories of responsibility. the michigan court of appeals in 2018 upheld a theory of involuntarily man slaughter where a father left a shotgun within reach of minor children with tragic results and the prosecutor in this case has a method of obtaining a conviction. the next question is whether she can marshal the evidence to prove they were negligent and obvious this would have happened if they let the gun lying around. you say it may start a trend. can you tell us why? it s an interesting thing that prosecutors if they are successful in holding parents liable that may be an incentive and may find that and i say this as a native mish ganders and knows people in that state for whom it s a part of the culture.