homes it would contain the assurances they need. and engaging in a military frenzy and using hysterical expressions, and saying that if the west continues this aggressive line, that quote, appropriate measures will be taken. not clear exactly what those appropriate measures will be, or again, whether this document will do anything to assuage the fears of moscow. there were some other talks going on today in the so-called norm an did i format between russia, ukraine, france, germany, the russian negotiator at those talks said basically, they haven t made much progress at all. they had confirmed their commitment, at least, to a continued cease fire and the region. that s where the pro russian separatists are in control of the territory. and he said the group would meet again in berlin in two weeks time. so it does appear now perhaps, pamela, that we are in a phase