i think the presidential candidate has an uphill battle and the former chief of staff is cooperating because i think mike penl pence has a pretty good story to tell. he was a victim of the attack and that he in the end did the right thing and he s trying to draw a little contrast, a little separation between himself and the former president and he thinks this might help in the presidential bid but still, it s trump s party at the moment so this may not help mike pence as much politically as he would like even though he did do the right thing in the end. good luck if you are thinking about 2024 mike pence. thank you gentlemen, appreciate it. joining me is cnn s chief white house correspondent caikaitlan collins. we have kaitlan at 11:00. in studio. listen, president biden was in kansas city toting his economic message today on the