Cared about making money. and i wonder all of these years and billions of dollars later, do you still think that s true? listen, i think he enjoys money. you see him jet skiing or water skiing or whatever it is. he never set out to make money. he turned down a million dollars in high school for a program he had written. he founded facebook to get everyone in the world together with him at the top. i think there s a little megalomania going on. if you look at what is being done, it is more about engagement than money. young people are leaving facebook and trying to find ways to drive engagement to continue to make it bigger and bigger and bigger. it s a monster that needs to be continually fed. i think that was facebook s goal all along, or mark s goal all along. it wasn t the money. that s fascinating. we saw that from his earnings call. ben, fascinating interview.
Governance is not about public welfare or any normal presidential goals, it s about keeping immunity and amassing as much power as possible. so trump is highly unstable, deeply effective but he s also crazy as a fox. and he has many personality traits as many of these leaders i ve studied, megalomania, only i can fix this, but they become obsessed with humiliating, controlling and dominating everyone around them, and what better domination game than to make millions of people believe in an alternate reality that benefits you by depicting you as infallible, i am your voice, and ideally keeping you in office. you re saying something really interesting about the big lie. the big lie is a power trip. it s a power move. every time he tells his fans to
Someone who is devoted most of his life at strait straightening out government. anything i did should be praised. and he also said there is no way i m not going to be the hero in all of this. i think he really believes that. really believes it, and rudy obviously has streaks of self righteousness and megalomania but this takes it to a whole different order. it reminds me of candidate trump s comment, you know, only i can fix this. you know, donald trump and rudy giuliani are quite a pair in this. they seem to believe the world should bend, you know, to their views on a lot of issues, and foreign leaders who get aid from the united states should be doing them political favors. and rudy giuliani is a kind of unappointed, you know, special envoy, going to foreign powers, and doing the asks for donald trump, is, you know, it is just a really, pretty shocking dynamic. and to the alarm of people
Bring in guests. you came to us and said it is getting worse. how do you know? i think of the trump that i knew in 1988 or 1989. he was relatively speaking relaxed most of the time. he could occasionally be funny. he had a live or let live attitude, moment to moment. so long as i can do whatever i want, you do your thing. now he swings like a spinning top between megalomania. idea of rewriting weather reports, all of the things you shared. it is inverse level of security and confidence he is feeling. that is really well put and i think it speaks to something if we saw it in a movie we would
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