heard erin mclaughlin say earlier 5 million refugees out of ukraine so far. we should note that even though this trip was just democrats, republicans have done their own congressional delegation to the region in the last few weeks and while they didn t go together this time, that is not to say there haven t been republicans on the ground there, too. ali vitali, general mccaf fy, thank you for being with us. joining us to continue the conversation, is the mayor of the capital kyiv. mayor, it s great to see you, let s talk a little bit about the capital, residents there are being urged to stop driving and use public transportation, and conserve dwindling fuel supplies. how is kyiv doing? actually, right now, it is much better, because we have in the last couple of days, people are coming to the hometown, they