Max sandra said, quote, senator orgy hatch personify the american dream. born the son of a carpenter in a plaster lather, he overcame the party was used to become united states senator. he has what he called a ramshackle house during the great depression. he went on to serve as the chairman of three different senate committees. he put his stamp on major pieces of legislation across the policy spectrum. and you ve ever 2018, hash was awarded a presidential medal of freedom, the highest civilian honor, by former president trump. joining me now is jonathan cap art, host of the sunday show. first of, all good to see you. as i, said i was waiting for this opportunity on a sunday morning to be able to get to talk to you about the show coming up. oren hatch, like him or, not wasn t institution. right. he was an old school republican. he was what republicans used to be like. to be perfectly blunt. i met the senator and his late white at the south african