besieged civilian population. that s why that city is such a disaster, but as you heard in that interview, it s a testament to the how hard the ukrainians have been fighting, because after 53 days of utter brutality by the russians, the ukrainians are still holding on to pretty much all of their major cities, and pretty much all of their territory, because they know how important their sovereignty is to them and not willing to give up. interesting as well. the russians offered the fighters in mariupol a deal. saying if you lay down your arms in mariupol today they would let them out and not hurt them. that was flat-out rejected. not only by those soldiers but zelenskyy also said that if those soldiers are killed, any sort of peace agreement with the russians would be completely off the table. so they re not willing to back off on one inch of their land here. no matter how heavy the cost is to ukraine. and the thing is, the tragedy, i mean, of what these