School in 2013. if you re doing the math, victor, he s 34 years old. much younger than me. i don t know about you. and me, yes. okay. makes me feel kind of old. he was a federal prosecutor. he was a state prosecutor under the da, fani willis, for a short amount of time. he was made a judge earlier this year in 2023 by the republican governor, governor kemp. he knows what he s doing. but manage being in your first year on the bench, you get your cases randomly wheeled out. this was randomly assigned and this one lands in your lap. it is a huge one. he will get a lot of attention. elie honig, thank you so much. this morning we know who will be facing off in the first republican presidential debate in milwaukee tomorrow night. eight candidates will take the stage, not the clear front-runner, president trump. he has opted out. he s taped an interview instead with tucker carlson that will air during the debate. jeff zeleny live in milwaukee with more. so, hopefully they prepared,
Spill over into the case? oh, absolutely. i mean, it doesn t matter that he is the former president of the united states of america. right now, he is no different than any other criminal defendant charged in fulton county. so anything that he says can and absolutely will be used against him if fani willis can use it against him in his criminal prosecution. gwen, one thing there s no question about it. pretty clear cut, huh? one thing i think is very notable from what the judge said yesterday, trump cannot make any direct or indirect threats, can t intimidate witnesses but specified for trump as a defendant not for the other defendants. he can t do it on social media. would things like trump saying, you know, a few weeks ago, calling out lieutenant governor, former lieutenant governor of georgia from testifying, saying he shouldn t testify, would that be seen as witness intimidation? i think that would be up to a
There are 17 other codefendants have until this friday to turn themselves in on charges of trying to overturn the results of the 2020 election in the state of georgia. joining us now former prosecutor in the fulton county da s office sara fleck and former district attorney in neighboring dekalb county gwen keys flemming also considering herself to be a mentor to fani willis. good to have both of you this morning. i want to start with you, sara, on something that i have been thinking. confirmation of the two big political stories of the day. one that trump will be turning himself in on thursday in this casened also that he s not going todebate. this is not a political question. are there specific exposures legally to trump participating in these debates? you have two former u.s. attorneys who doesn t think he should be the nominee, asa hutchinson and chris christie. is he exposes in some way by talking about the case in some way during the debate that could
I can tell you she has a team of prosecutors and investigators in that office that have been assigned to this case exclusively and that are going to be monitoring his social media, monitoring his team, monitoring anything that he says at any speech, any public forum. so, i can absolutely tell him if i was his attorney, do not speak because madame da fani willis will absolutely use what he says, if she can, to her benefit. she will use it against him in a criminal prosecution. there s aen effort, gwen, right now in georgia because of new legislation that was passed and signed into law by the governor brian kemp, to target fani willis, to try to take away her ability to prosecute this case. specially sanctioning her. the law said you can sanction prosecutors for neglecting their duty. clint dixon explained this effort this way. we can have them investigate and take action against fani willis in her efforts to weaponize the justice system against political opponents. this is our best me
Judge if we ever get to the point where the da s office might seek to revoke the terms of bond. but, i do think some of what we ve seen so far may have influenced the judge s decision in ensuring that that particular condition was added to bond in this case. and sara, he is obviously and all of the those charged are innocent until proven guilty. former president trump is a candidate. he has a right to free speech. as he goes on to continue these rallies, most of what he talks about, it s about these cases. what s the exposure there if he has, russia if you re listening type of moment there during one of these speeches? as a defense attorney, how would you advise him during these rallies? well, as a defense attorney, i would tell him, one thing i know for sure having worked with madame da fani willis for years and having trained honestly underneath her. she is thorough.