But in all of it, was this feeling that it would never get better and i now know that thats not true. Hello. Here in france, round one is over. And after an Election Campaign of twists and turns, The Big Surprise was the lack of big surprise. But it is a huge turning point all the same. The established parties became marginalised, in third and fifth place and now the contest comes down to a showdown between nationalistic populism and globalist liberalism. That is the battle being fought across the west. France is now divided down the middle. The radical candidates, who want to overthrow the existing order le pen on the populist right, melenchon on the left, and six fringe candidates as well they got a total of 49. 6 per cent of the vote in other words, half. There is an enormous well of discontent out there. For now, Emmanuel Macron is the man to watch the best hope for a battered establishment of seeing off the radicals. But the twists continue in this campaign tonight, his opponent M
for certain values and not just have a kind of foreign policy? i mean, trump s election was, you know, very, very bad news for anybody in europe, or anywhere in the world who cares about human rights and fundamental values. i do think that one of the outcomes of this french election, if macron wins, is that there will be a stronger, i believe, stronger european voice central focused essentially on the franco-german couple, stronger european voice on some of the international crises that do affect europe. all right we have to go but bret i ve got to ask you. your column on climate change caused a, you know, a twitter storm, maybe, a real storm. so, you know, basically saying we shouldn t be so overconfident and act as though there is absolutely no debate to be had on climate change. there should be willing to
have a real politic foreign policy? i mean, trump s election was, you know, very, very bad news for anybody in europe, or anywhere in the world who cares about human rights and fundamental values. i do think that one of the outcomes of this french election, if macron wins, is that there will be a stronger, i believe, stronger european voice central focused essentially on the franco-german couple, stronger european voice on some of the international crises that do affect europe. all right. we have to go. but, bret, i ve got to ask you. your column on climate change caused a, you know, a twitter storm, maybe, a real storm. so, you know, basically saying we shouldn t be so overconfident and act as though there is absolutely no debate to be had on climate change. liberals should be willing to
survive, but le pen will be bigger than she ever has been before, and she may well win the next election. i do think there s a real, there s a pattern building here. remember chris: let s assume macron wins, what does that mean for america? if macron wins, decay as usual, politics as usual, unemployment as usual, explanations of violence as usual and people just get more disaffected. but for the short run, the european union survives, the euro survives, etc. if le pen writtens wins, you have suddenly a france that is cutting loose from its relationship with germany and cutting loose from its ties with brussels. i don t think she will win, but i think she ll probably get over 40% of the vote. her father got 12% the first time he was on the ballot. so it keeps growing, and there s a very simple fact if you are a french young person, you are three times as likely to be unemployed as if you re a german young person. right at that border. germans are figuring out a way to have the eco
global economy? look, if macron wins this afternoon or tonight, it will be afternoon new york time, then everybody should pop some champagne corks in the west. but if he s unable to deliver on the kinds of promises he s made, if he s unable to help reform the european union and make people feel that they re participating in a prosperous enterprise, a united europe, then marine le pen will win five years from now. so i think he s going to have a very tough row to hoe, but i think he s the guy to do it. at least i think a lot of french people will come to that conclusion. kim, you know, marine le pen also referenced theresa may who is pioneering brexit in britain. it does almost feel like i read an article in the guardian today that you could see emerging a europe that with stands the tide and u.s. and britain that become the two sort of isolated powers, isolated from the rest of the west. is that what we re looking at? well, it s possible and that s certainly what an opportuni