rebellion and as james reference, the appalling scenes from the sarah vigil earlier this year. absolutely, i think there is a pressure that is mounting and i think you are right that this is not representative of the behaviour of most police officers. but i would say is i m not a police officer it s not a job i could do. i think the police are facing extremely difficult circumstances and witnessed horrific events and i think part of the way they handled this is with sick humour and injokes they handled this is with sick humourand injokes and they handled this is with sick humour and injokes and macho behaviour. this is not to condone their behaviour, it is absolutely appalling. but perhaps, kicking them out of the forest, plus a suspended sentence might be punishment enough. i am told they are going to face a prison term and a think what they have done will be absolutely hugely