here the coauthor of a new book, viral, search for origin of covid-19, lord mac ridley. much great to see you this morning. talk about the news few are talking about, out of taiwan, a lab worker has been infected with covid. what does that reveal to us? well the authorities in taiwan have confirmed this woman was bitten twice by mice, biosecurity level 3 on covid-19 virus, sars co v. 2. a few days later she got symptoms. the at the time taiwan had almost no cases t was you know, pretty obvious what was happening where she caught it from. there was no other possibility of her catching it. what this tells us it is very easy to catch this virus in a laboratory. now we already know that in taiwan, singapore, beijing, lab workers caught sars one, the first sars virus during experiments on at least four