that upsets some democrats but it s not going to cost votes like senator gillibrand. the child tax credit, senator manchin wants to lowter thresholds. that is really important to bernie sanders. if he doesn t get anything i think democrats and the president have to tell joe biden, okay, listen, joe, what do you want but you have to accept some things we want. this is going to be a tough plane to land in the new year. neil: is there any truth to the rumors that the president intervened to say we re getting nasty with manchin and we re pushing him out of the party. but you know, better to deal with him than deal with him on the other side. do you know anything about the back story on that? i don t know as a fact, neil. but that makes a lot of sense. i asked manchin a few years ago