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you mentioned fires are unpredictable. so are people in these situations. i want to bring in lieutenant rogers and then i ll get back to you, chris. lieutenant rogers from the new jersey police department having been on teams like this and the unpredictability of people when they are panicking. how does that factor in? right now saving lives, it s up to the first responders to give firefighters pathways to get to the fire. they are certainly going to get people into an area where at the very least they can talk to them, question them. i saw people coming out of the area. firefighters could tell you this, people who start fires stay at fire scenes just to know what s going on. law enforcement and the fire department will be coordinating