In danger. it might come through you next, that is just projection. the person who might come for you next is trump. and those under his command. that is what is at stake. and that is why it is so dangerous that lawyers like chess burrow and those who co conspired with him and with trump are still on the loose, haven t lost their law licenses yet, although they are being investigated. and they might be disciplined by the bar. it is entirely possible that they won t be held fully accountable. now i do think that they are likely to be indicted by fani willis next week. i would expect some of these lawyers will be, maybe they will be indicted by jack smith in separate indictments. but it s very important that they be held accountable so that they can t do it again and others undeterred. seeing that you are one of the most prominent constitutional scholars and lawyers in this country, i want to get your thoughts on trump s legal defense in this indictment.
Trump and his lawyers have cited his first amendment rights as a defense strategy against the criminal charges that he is facing inspiring to overturn the election. in your expert opinion, is that a viable strategy? completely bogus as a legal strategy, because he is not being punished for his thoughts, his speeches, it was entirely free to say. and he is entirely free to say it. as long as he lives, that he thinks the election was stolen from him. what he is not free to do is to conspire with others to commit various crimes. like submitting false electoral states. orchestrating an overthrow of the government. that is not speech, that is action, that is conduct. and it is, there is no basis at all for this legal offense. but it plays well on tv, that is the point. when a guy like john moreau appears on tv and he is well dressed and he has got a suit
We re gonna have more on this breaking development later in the show. but we first began with a reality check for the now the race undated ex president. donald clump trump, quote, as a criminal defendant. he s gonna have restrictions like any other criminal defendant. those were the words of judge tanya chutkan. the federal judge overseeing special counsel jack smith s election interference case against, trump and hearing yesterday that she rejected trump s request to be able to speak more broadly and publicly about the investigation. in a new productive order, chutkan limited the ex president and attorneys from publicly discussing, any, quote, sensitive material that includes, quote, any personally identified information concerning witnesses. information that had emerged from a grand jury. and any materials turned over from other government entities. during that, hearing trump s legal team argued that too strict of a protective order
Now, this means the public might know by tuesday whether jurors indict the ex president. tuesday evening, to be specific. willis is expected to begin her presentation to grandeurs on monday. we re gonna have more on this breaking development later in the show. but we first began with a reality check for the now the race undated ex president. donald clump trump, quote, as a criminal defendant. he s gonna have restrictions like any other criminal defendant. those were the words of judge tanya chutkan. the federal judge overseeing special counsel jack smith s election interference case against, trump and hearing yesterday that she rejected trump s request to be able to speak more broadly and publicly about the investigation. in a new productive order, chutkan limited the ex president and attorneys from publicly discussing, any, quote, sensitive material that includes, quote, any personally identified information concerning witnesses.
I mean, if the judge does sign off on the prosecutor s proposal date for this trial, january 2nd, it could affect his ability to campaign ahead of the states caucuses, which are scheduled written for january the 15th. how do you think the trial will play generally, well to disrupt trump s campaign. is this going to have an actual material impact on his ability to campaign? even if it doesn t necessarily impact his standing with voters? , right and this is just one of many. right? i mean, there is the this is the second one state indictment, and another one probably coming next week. so yeah, i mean, look, he is going to play this politically. it has worked with the gop base so far. the other candidate, you know, with the person who was his sort of competition, what, 30, 40 points behind him? i mean, he can barely get 20