Everard. we have also been hearing applications from the attorney general to actually impose how live orders on some other murderers who the crown basically says have been treated unduly leniently by trial judges. quite a complicated picture and that is why so manyjudges are involved because what they say at the end of this well defined with howjudges the end of this well defined with how judges a the end of this well defined with howjudges a deal with these cases. let me tell you about wayne couzens case. when he was jailed last autumn for the murder of sarah everard, the former police officer was told by the trialjudge who is one of the most seniorjudges in the country, that his crime is so serious because he committed it as a serving police officer, abusing his position as a serving police officer to basically trick her into his car and to take away her to kill her that he warranted a whole life order, effectively because his crime as a police officer had undermined trust, the whol