and societal welfare. how do you tell what might feel like a familiar story in a new way? i think a lot of it also comes down to the writing, i would like to think. and to a certain extent the framing, so that you remind the user, your readers, what is truly new and why they need to care. well, just before we end, let s think about what, if any, impact public interest journalism can actually have. juliette garcide from the guardian, will the pandora papers actually change anything, do you think? we re waiting for long promised better transparency in the uk about who owes what land, for example, what property. let me turn to you, ben smith, is there a danger with all these stories that the public has a kind of sense of leak fatigue?
these stories that the public has a kind of sense of leak fatigue? do you sense that? yeah, for sure. and i think the challenge of stories that confirm i what people already knewl is that they can sometimes shrug because they re not surprised. - that said, i think there sl a real series of icij leaks, of which is the latest - and biggest, they have caused a bunch of legal action, at least in the states. i i mean, the us, the congress, in pretty large part due - to the fincen files, made it much harder to operate through anonymous shell companies. i that is a real- meaningful advance. and actually the relationship between tonnes of people i reading and getting excited about story and legislative i or law enforcement action, i it s not always totally linear, right? like sometimes you have one reader, but it s the right- reader, it s the chairwoman of the committee, so. - margot, from your perspective, do you think this will lead to real change?
and everyone kind of assumes that facebook chooses profits over consumers and societal welfare. how do you tell what might feel like a familiar story in a new way? i think a lot of it also comes down to the writing, i would like to think. and to a certain extent the framing, so that you remind the user, your readers, what is truly new and why they need to care. well, just before we end, let s think about what, if any, impact public interest journalism can actually have. juliette garcide from the guardian, will the pandora papers actually change anything, do you think? we re waiting for long promised better transparency in the uk about who owes what land, for example, what property. let me turn to you, ben smith, is there a danger with all these stories that the public has a kind of sense of leak fatigue? do you sense that?
these stories that the public has a kind of sense of leak fatigue? do you sense that? yeah, for sure. and i think the challenge of stories that confirm i what people already knewl is that they can sometimes shrug because they re not surprised. - that said, i think there sl a real series of icij leaks, of which is the latest - and biggest, they have caused a bunch of legal action, at least in the states. i i mean, the us, the congress, in pretty large part due - to the fincen files, made it much harder to operate through anonymous shell companies. i that is a real- meaningful advance. and actually the relationship between tonnes of people i reading and getting excited about story and legislative i or law enforcement action, i it s not always totally linear, right? like sometimes you have one reader, but it s the right- reader, it s the chairwoman of the committee, so. - margot, from your perspective, do you think this will lead to real change?
juliette garcide from the guardian, will the pandora papers actually change anything, do you think? we re waiting for long promised better transparency in the uk about who owes what land, for example, what property. let me turn to you, ben smith, is there a danger with all these stories that the public has a kind of sense of leak fatigue? do you sense that? yeah, for sure. and i think the challenge of stories that confirm what people already. knew is that they can sometimes - shrug because they re not surprised. that said, i think there s a real series of icij leaks, of which is the latest and biggest, they have caused a bunch of legal| action, at least in the states. i mean, the us, the congress, in pretty large part due - to the fincen files, made it much harder to operate through anonymous shell companies. that is a real meaningful advance.