terrible things happening in the wider interest of social justice. that s what they are doing. it s a revolutionary ideology which is undermining the very principles of the rule of law, due process, and all the other things that we in this country understand is the cornerstone of our rights and it s dangerous phenomenon. sandra: jerry baker, wall street journal editor at large. appreciate your time this afternoon. it s a tough one to take in. andy mccarthy joined us earlier, so that presidents have an obligation to uphold due process. it means not commenting just because we want to protect due process going back to the white to premises to implication or remark the president did make looting to that assumption and you go back to jerry baker s point in both cases and it goes all the way to the top in leadershit we are setting in this country and the laws that we are implementing. trace: you can see the pendulum start to swing a little bit. you go to san francisco.