of the party, the bannon wing. the people that showed up with paraphernalia and camp auschwitz shirts. trump has empowered that group. we need to disempower that group. this is where i think the leadership teneeds to come from. we have to not normalize these extreme elements. that has been the problem and continues to be, and until we talk about that more honestly and openly, i think we re going to have some challenges. i agree with scott, the midterms are probably going to be pretty good to republicans. it s not about trump, it s about the republicans. but i think for 2024 this is an issue that we are going to have to discuss much more openly than we have up to this point. so, charlie, how influential is longtime republican stalwart carl rove to speak to those groups that you speak of when he woke this week in the wall street journal urging the gop