imminent and typically when these calls happen we get a read out at some point later that will give us more specifics on how long it ran but the expectation that it would have been ongoing in the last hour and this would be the third call between president biden and president zelensky since december. we were told to expect this to be kind of a check-in call, not a call conveying any sort of announcement from president biden to president zelensky and part of the overall approach the u.s. has been using with ukraine saying they want ukraine involved in any of the diplomacy and dialogue that relates to ukraine which is, obviously, at the center of this ongoing dispute and tension involving russia. so, hard to read any headlines out of that. but, obviously, leader to leader conversations are always notable. i was also struck by seeing the prime minister of norway at the white house today and some journalists from norway say that he was scheduled to see jake