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See them going to work, often on both sides of the equation. So somebody can be a hacker forbade and to be a criminal, but sometimes put those skills to good use. Sometimes they go all the way down the bad path, and you see certain people who have a bent andsosa but the people that we can learn from, which was what i was going for here. Host how much money did those people literally steal . Kate that is a good question. I dont think i have an actual figure for anyone. And without giving away too many details, we see one character make a Million Dollar ransomware demand in one shot, and it is character knows about cybersecurity or technology or in technology or engineering, but she is innovative enough and creative enough to on the spot come up with an idea that works. The company,e the criminal organization that she is working for, pivot to make similar amounts. Host how did they get into hacking, all three of these people . Kate you have three completely different trajectories. You ha

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