they re trying to fight. president biden has a big speech tomorrow. activists have krit soozed him for not doing enough, pushing hard enough to change the rules and twist arms among the holdouts in his party to get it done. seems like this is a do or die moment for democrats to find a way to get something big done on voting rights or maybe turn the page. jake, can we get brutal for a second? it doesn t matter how big of a speech the president is making. unless these two are willing to vote to change the rules that will pass a bill, none of this matters. reporter: no, it doesn t matter. i mean, it matters because the base wants to see biden fight and that s what he s going to do, but manchin and sinema, i mean, sahil and i have heard them say thousands of times that they are not interested in changing the rules, as sahil put it they re very manchin seems interested in minor changes in the rules. they are not going to change the filibuster. manchin is a filibuster supporter. i m no