the step up to the podium until all of us what the heck is going on if even know what s going on joining us now from a defense of kateri mark with us secretary thing for being with us joe biden actually said the chinese spy flight is not a major breach do you do that is a major breach? i view that as a major breach. see first intrusion of american airspace my lifetime that i can recall for an adversary surveillance platform not only over the united states but over the most sensitive sites of the u.s. military in the states. so it is a major breach is a further breakdown and trust between the two countries. sean: how is possible but they they don t even seem to know where these other three objects there were shot down out of the sky came from? do you believe that actual nation because i m having a hard time to believe it.