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Something wasn t right. i knew not to move her. ina has stared, rooted to the spot. i guess i kind of went into shock because i saw her lying there. but you had no idea what had happened in. no. she could have had a heart attack or something? could of. maybe she tripped over a foot rest behind the reception desk? i had it in the back of my mind, well, did she hit her head in. police arrived in minutes. julie s phone still pinging. the kids are still texting. i keep saying someone needs to go to them and tell them what s going on. reporter: eventually officers went to the high school. one-by-one pam s children were called to a conference room, where the police told them their mother was dead. it was the worst part, they brought me in this room, david s cheeks are stained with tears. i had to see that, then they told me and i was balling, david
Trepidation arrived outside the office of her missing friend and neighbor, pam zimmerman. nobody around. except wasn t that pat s car in the lot? julie called her husband. he said, call 911. so, i called 911, and she said, do you want to file a missing person s report? and i said, i don t even know if she s missing. then she saw someone who could help. right as i pulled in, i know she was parked over there getting out of her car and walking towards me. you know her well? i knew ina. i jumped out of my car and said, pam didn t come home last night. ina was the a past friend and long-time office manager. ina said pam seemed fine the day before, said when she left around 4:30 p.m., pam was meeting with her last client of the day behind closed doors remember but ina had a key to the building and office, so the two women headed in. i opened the door there and
pam s kids tried to concentrating on their school work.ir couldn t. i remember going to school and rachel and i sat across from twoat of our friends at school d iri just lost it and started balling. the whole morning was really hard. by wanow, there was a tribe frightened people. this is pam s cousin vicki. i have a brother 18 years younger than me. he called and he said, they can t find pam. i go, what? he goes, they can t find pam. i said, that s not good. and he goes, no, it s not. the drive to pam s office didn t take long. julie ko pulled into the parking lot andd right away, she saw something that would lead her to call 911. coming up, an awful discovery at pam s office. theat lights were all off.
Family room and plainly said your dad killed your mom. what do you think about the possibility that your dad could be violented like that? i know anyone is capable of doing anything, but we would know. we re his kids, we lived with him. i honestly believe if she ever really felt threatened she really felt at risk, the first person she would have reached out to was me. and she never did. kirk spent four months in jail before bonning out. and for the next 3.5 years, remained under house arrest. rachel and heidi couldn t stay in the house with him alone. there had to be another person 18 or older the entire time. the whole time waiting for trial? yes. up until we turned 18. pam s neighbor and friend julie ko tried to help. you know i took his daughter driving. because they were learning to