political prowess of nancy pelosi, if not now when? when in this country does congress say politics aside, we have to protect the constitutional order and the prerogatives of congress. and i think this is a perfect example of where that example arises. jonathan lamere, let s take up that last point. rick wilson was on this network. we ve had him on this broadcast before. his contention is trump is hoping, praying he won t get nicked in the senate. wanting to run as a victim, wanting to fund raise on it. it s all his political social media life has been predicated on. knowing him as you do knowing his character as you do, does that much up with known reality? it does. i think that the president himself we know from reporting had conversations with speaker pelosi where he s like you re not going impeach me.
targets of those who want to be interviewed by congress. let s not forget in all of this that congress is a coequal branch of government whose goal it is to investigate abuses by the president and so on. and they ve already committed to doing so and put the documents requests out there and so on. now, they may resist and not show up or whatever and that will lead to a long legal battle. but yes, maybe there s a slight sigh of relief, a temporary one as matt said over being charged. but that doesn t mean they ll be subpoenaed to testify at a broader hearing. all of this continues. jonathan lamere, matt miller, thank you very much all for being with me here in new york. he submitted his report, but he s still going to show up at the office. what is next for bob mueller and what do we know about how he will assist attorney general bill barr? assist attorney genel bill barr? the all-new 2019 ford ranger, it s the right gear. with a terrain management system for. this.
government overreach. try to say, hey, look, i gave this to you for two years. i didn t interfere. i didn t fire him and it didn t prove that i did it. we of course can take exceptions to that as you just but, jonathan, again, we ve listed that four or five of his key players from the campaign are in jail or are going to jail and also robert mueller at least a couple of months ago had made a tiny little profit on this investigation. right. i is going to play on the ideas of perception not reality which is not the first time he s done this. it s probably not shocking to anyone listening or watching that he s going to try to claim victory when there isn t one. yes, he s going to suggest there s overreach, it cost too much and it went on too long. most crucially, he s going to say this. look, you had your shot at me. there s not this ironclad proof that i colluded. therefore, what are the democrats still doing on the house? he s going to suggest that
we could put ten more things on. he is trying to distract. and it s fascinating. we ll take the distraction. y all are crazy. the answer to kellyanne conway s president, should the president of the united states ignore a private citizen who is offering armchair psychology about him? the answer is yes. you should. you should not respond to that tp it demeans the office. it demeans you. it lowers the entire conversation. yes you should reserve those thoughts. a psychiatrist reached out to me saying it s true but go ahead. this is what donald trump has never understood. never understood. jonathan le miles an ho jonathan lemire. i was too young to run for congress. the republicans wouldn t let me me. here we go. stop for a zbleekd the kids want to hear this. can joe talk. can i talk. can joe get a second. dang it!
wow, how did you get him? rogers professor of the presidency, jon meacham. he s an nbc news and msnbc arc of the world universe and it slopes downward. good to see you here, john. that s where it all stops. former justice department spokesman, matt miller. national security reporter for nbc news, julia ainsley is with us and nbc news national reporter heidi prisbilla and jonathan la mere. good to have you all on board. it is thursday. sometimes i just read the prompter and that s a mistake. dammit. oh, well. mika, yesterday something happened here that was pretty interesting. we had mayor pete on. oh, my gosh, that was quite an event. mika and i, at least, i don t know about you, willie, got more