Congressman, their staff, noted donors, this wasn t a rogue action. it was a concerted, organized effort by the hierarchy in the republican party to overturn an election. i don t think you can call it anything else. and yet, you still see in this debate, where almost every candidate for president in the republican nomination says that they will support a man who attempted to overthrow the government of the united states if he wins the republican nomination. and i can t think of anything that s just more anti-american, and sadder, and shows the complete moral bankruptcy of this party i used to belong to. yeah. anti-american, anti-democratic, no doubt about it. jill, on monday, mark meadows is going to present his argument for moving his case to federal court. walk us through that. what is his argument, how strong do you believe it is? mark meadows is arguing that because he is a federal employee, that he gets to be
So, i don t think he can meet those two standards, and therefore i don t think, even at the low standard of proof that is it s not beyond a reasonable doubt, you don t have to prove that it s absolutely going to have been, i don t think you can meet those standards. and the case will not be removed for any of the. so, really quickly, jill, just as a matter of procedure, is this a hearing that we would expect a decision on the day of, and more importantly, is it one we re fani willis s team gets to present the republic to the points that mark meadows makes, that this case should be removed? great question, ayman. yes. in the end, fani willis is prepared now for the defense. she has subpoenaed witnesses, including the secretary of state, who can testify to the pressure that he was put under. she can even use an fbi agent to testify to what happened in the grand jury. there s a lot of ways she can put in evidence. so if the basic remember, the burden is on mark meadows. he has to pr
That same day, the judge overseeing trump s federal case on election fraud has signaled that she will choose a trial date. and if she opt for a trial in early 2024, as prosecutors have requested, trump s already packed courtroom calendar will get that much more complicated. joining me to discuss this and more, jill wine-banks phil, msnbc legal analyst. she s a former assistant watergate special prosecutor and former general counsel of the army and co-host sister in law port cast. for renitta shannon and stuart stevens, advisor to the lincoln project, also author of it was all a lie. and he was mitt romney s chief strategist for his 2012 campaign. it s great to have all three of you with us. jill, i ll start with you because of the legal aspect that we are talking about, and our colleague lisa really pointed this out clearly earlier today. she said that this news, that john eastman will likely join sydney powell and ken cheseboro in demanding a speedy trial in fulton county, signals tha
That s just more anti-american, and sadder, and shows the complete moral bankruptcy of this party i used to belong to. yeah. anti-american, anti-democratic, no doubt about it. jill, on monday, mark meadows is going to present his argument for moving his case to federal court. walk us through that. what is his argument, how strong do you believe it is? mark meadows is arguing that because he is a federal employee, that he gets to be tried in a federal court. now, in order to get removal, it s a very low standard of proof. but he does have to prove that his conduct, as charged in the georgia indictment, was done as part of his job. and frankly, i don t think we need to talk about the second and third elements, because i cannot imagine him being able to establish that his political activity, his campaign activity, and that his crimes were part of his job as chief of staff to the president of the united states. so that s the first hurdle that he will have to meet. the second one is he
Have sought to move the state case to federal court, citing their ties to the federal government. the first one to file, former house chief of staff mark meadows. he is going to make the argument formidable on monday, in a hearing before a federal judge in atlanta. that same day, the judge overseeing trump s federal case on election fraud has signaled that she will choose a trial date. and if she opt for a trial in early 2024, as prosecutors have requested, trump s already packed courtroom calendar will get that much more complicated. joining me to discuss this and more, jill wine-banks phil, msnbc legal analyst. she s a former assistant watergate special prosecutor and former general counsel of the army and co-host sister in law port cast. for renitta shannon and stuart stevens, advisor to the lincoln project, also author of it was all a lie. and he was mitt romney s chief strategist for his 2012 campaign. it s great to have all three of you with us. jill, i ll start with you because