long-time jet pilots. for more i m joined by criminal defense attorney and msnbc legal analyst. danny, thank you for being here. calling the pilot says to me they re trying to establish obviously that she was trafficking girls and moving them but it also raises the question because we do know from the epstein stories they were also flying his the johns around in these flights. should we expect to hear who all was on these flights? yes, that has to be why the government is calling the pilot. after all, if you have a limo driver, that s somebody that you d see every day and say something about your comings and goings. if you re jeffrey epstein, your limo driver is a jet driver. they seen maxwell coming and going and who they were with and where they go. he may not go into the mansion when they arrive but he can talk about a lot of stuff that he saw in the course of his employment. and i think the obvious answer, i mean, jeffrey epstein had a lot of information,