known this man 35 years, cared about him, worked with him closely on music. he s a jazz lover. when i was in the music business. so i know him well, but the charges against him are much more serious than they are against al franken, you know, with his hand on a butt during a picture. i mean, these are women who said that john conyers sort of took them to hotel rooms, put them on his congressional payroll, intimidated them as an employer. very serious charges that go right to his service as a member of congress. i thought nancy pelosi should have been more aggressive. i know that s where her heart was, and she, i think, was conflicted about protecting her caucus. i this later when congressman conyers stepped away from being the ranking leader on the committee, i think he did it in part because he recognized that he was putting his colleagues like nancy in a very difficult position. as i mentioned, angela, of