Have one was kind of tangential he has not been given a list of anything from it is attorney s office. but he is very much on involved. he and i did meet with the special counsel s office last week though. and, yeah, he was the briefed on all of the efforts that he and the giuliani team took in d.c. as part of the election investigation. did you testify before this grand jury in georgia? no, he did not. when you say he was interviewed, mr. kerik, by jack smith, was that in front of a grand jury, or with prosecutors? it was just with prosecutors and a couple of fbi agents. what is my response to the news this evening that your former client donald trump, it looks as though, i mean we haven t confirmed it yet. but violent tents and purposes it seems that within minutes will be reporting that he has been indicted. well, i mean obviously like
Brought in and have the chance to be arraigned. even at the same time. the state court system is a little bit more of a gun slinging type system than the federal court. so they are not necessarily as rigid with the rules anyone waiting to watch this on tape before the election might be running a fools errand. because i think it s not like, then we re talking about seven, 17 or eight [inaudible] in the rico, case it has been going on here. you can imagine the difficulty of getting a jury in the trump case. i just think that is a long time. wait a minute, i m sorry, could you just repeat that? you say it took seven months to get a jury for a rico case in georgia? they are still picking the jury, it has been more than seven months. why does it take seven months? well, we have, got multiple defendants. you ve got lawyers jumping into heaven. questioning jurors and all of those things that go along when
About who s going to take a backseat to jack smith, feels to me like these indictments, the michigan one against the fake electors, the jack smith case, this one, they have their lanes. when you look at the michigan officials what they re talking about are very specific, michigan laws on the books in michigan to protect against election fraud, tampering with voting machines, things of that nature. so we will see what the georgia case looks like, but there is a reason that our system, especially our federal election system is decentralized. it used to be something that republicans were proud of, and that decentralized system is going to create a lane here for fani willis look specifically at the state of georgia, the laws on those books, and a charge more detailed crimes because reading the jack smith indictment, it is a pretty broad brush. they are dealing with federal crimes. in the state of georgia, i think you re going to be getting at a much more granular level and that is why i do
Versus, or jamie gangel versus, it is the united states or the state of georgia against this person. why? because you have offended the society with your actions. you have offended the people and what they expect in a civilized and social contract. so when you look at this notion of what to do next, the fact that if she is able to bring a case, the fact that she s able to do this for deterrent reasons as, well is because why? there is an election just around the corner. donald trump looks at it as a vengeance. he does not look at it as anything else. this is fani willis trying to get back at him all of these people in georgia who didn t like him for one reason or another, didn t vote for him, et cetera et cetera. but nowhere in just tonight on the verge of this indictment. i do think, to laura s point
Can make a decision as to whether there was criminal intent, and whether there was that conscious avoidance that we mentioned a moment ago. all, right thank you so much. appreciate your time this evening, and if you are just joining us, i want to bring you up to speed in atlanta, a grand jury indicted former president donald trump on state charges, stemming from his efforts to overturn joe biden s victory over him in the november 2020 election in georgia. this is a historic one, this is the fourth time that donald trump has been indicted. let me bring in caitlin collins right now, caitlin, i am not sure if you have the indictment unsealed. yes. there is kaitlan there. tell us what, what is in this indictment? is it just a donald trump? or other other individuals?